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And what if you’re not?

JEREMY COLE: Yeah, absolutely.

TONY JONES: Okay, well tell me, for example, your job is doing that. Why am I watching you dance?

JEREMY COLE: Because it’s, it’s the right thing to do.

TONY JONES: Okay. So…

TONY JONES: …why does it matter that you are doing the right thing? That’s all I want to know.

JEREMY COLE: It’s… Yes.


TONY JONES: …the right thing to do and that’s what I care about, is what you care about.

JEREMY COLE: Well, you know, if you’re doing a pole, and you’re doing it. It is. It is.

TONY JONES: Why is it not your job?

JEREMY COLE: Well, that is what – as I said earlier – is the right thing to do.

HUGH HUNT: Okay. But, well, the question then is why we don’t see more people do that. We should, because pole dancing has a cultural significance. It’s a really important part of Australian culture in that it’s a way of expressing resistance, in an emotional and creative way. And I think it’s important that we try to understand why that’s so important. Obviously we should be doing more in that space.

TONY JONES: All right. Well, the fact that you’ve said “The way we look now, it’s like a museum of Western history”. What do you mean?

HUGH HUNT: Well, I mean what I mean is that our history books and films and TV shows are often very very violent.

TONY JONES: So I am not surprised that this question was asked of you, but I am astonished that we have in this room in this time, as you’ve said, more people alive than ever who have spent time in the concentration camps. I mean, if that is a cultural heritage, then I would like to hear more about the Australian concentration camps and what exactly they were about. Have you actually seen them yourself?

HUGH HUNT: No, not yet. Well…

TONY JONES: Well, I mean…
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HUGH HUNT: But I think what’s interesting

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